@Honey Totally agree. I'm just glad that Qatar haven't taken cricket seriously or they'd have a world class side within weeks.
by Dave Knibb8/30/2017 9:49:46 AM
Ah, Chinos providing an excellent segway to something I forgot to bring up yesterday when we were talking about Archer's qualification. Why is it that the ICC seems to let the individual governing bodies set qualification rules when pretty much every other global sport has a blanket set of qualification criteria? There's nothing to stop a cricket board from setting either deliberately too lax or overly draconian and discriminatory qualification laws if they so wish. If cricket was governed like football or rugby no one would bat an eyelid about Archer playing for England as one of his parents was born and raised here, but instead he might possibly have to serve seven years, whilst someone like Daniel Bell-Drummond could theoretically play for the Windies in the next Test thanks to WICA's own rules on eligibility. Seems a ludicrous set-up to me.
by SDHoneymonster8/30/2017 9:47:59 AM
Anyone know when the white ball squads are announced? Dobell mentioned Coverton isn't far away from the England side yesterday...
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 9:47:32 AM
Dez, this is why we need Ballance back in the side!
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 9:47:02 AM
UPDATE: Match start delayed (Start delayed due to rain), Essex 117/3 (52.3 ov, lead by 112 - 2nd inns) v Somerset
by ESPNcricinfo Live8/30/2017 9:45:01 AM
UPDATE: Match start delayed (Start delayed due to rain), Nottinghamshire 317/8 (64 ov, lead by 389 - 2nd inns) v Northants
by ESPNcricinfo Live8/30/2017 9:44:43 AM
Exactly, he's only 20. I agree with you about Broad and Anderson, they are just untouchable no matter what their form. Wish we had a decent left armer, has Gurney regressed that much?
by Dave Knibb8/30/2017 9:44:13 AM
Of course, Livingstone is both an offie & a leggie... just saying!
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 9:43:27 AM
@DaveKnibb Because he's young, talented and quick. He's not the finished article but he's only 20!
by SDHoneymonster8/30/2017 9:41:39 AM
I haven't seen Garton and don't really get why he's a constant Lions player. His figures aren't that impressive and can't get in the Sussex game. I did see him on TV in the T20's and he was pretty poor, even if it is a slogfest.
by Dave Knibb8/30/2017 9:39:52 AM
@StaggerBreaths I think for flatter and slower pitches a leggie would be a huge help - they can take wickets without much help from the pitch thanks to the natural drift and dip they get, more so than offies. On turning and bouncing wickets though I think you need spinners like Panesar or Jadeja, who really fire the ball into the wicket and bowl accurately.
by SDHoneymonster8/30/2017 9:38:38 AM
On Livingstone, rate him massively but seeing how nervous he looked when making his England debut in the T20Is I'm not sure he's quite ready for international cricket just yet. Would have no issue seeing him called up however, seems to score runs against good attacks or when Lanky are in the mire (see the game he flipped on its head v Somerset, I say through gritted teeth...)
by SDHoneymonster8/30/2017 9:36:54 AM
Sadly I don't think Rashid has the confidence to bowl in Tests any more. That may well be down to how he was handled, or his bowling speed, I'm not sure which. With a leggie I very much think you would need the extra bowler, you'd need not to expect anything out of them in the first innings.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 9:36:02 AM
@StaggerBreaths I am too, but I think a lot of that is linked to the wasting of the new ball. That said, a chance for a genuine quick - Garton, Joverton - or a leggie like Rashid or Crane to add some cutting edge with the old ball wouldn't go amiss, especially as England weirdly seem to have lost the ability to reverse the ball.
I'd be happy to see Livingstone in the squad, he's going to be the future, but I think Hales has more chance of success in Oz at the moment. I know he has failed in Tests before but he has vast international experience and that could count for a lot with the pressure we'll be under over there.
by Dave Knibb8/30/2017 9:29:18 AM
Don't apologise, it's a good un, and I'm probably as guilty of panic as anybody! Just... worried about the bowling attack in the wake of that, is all. I think Smith might be more able to reproduce such performances than Hope.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 9:29:09 AM
Paul Edwards looks forward to what could be an enthralling conclusion to Glamorgan's match against Sussex.
by Paul Edwards edited by David Hopps8/30/2017 9:28:50 AM
Cook, Stoneman, ??, Root, Malan, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali, Woakes, Broad, Anderson. Bench - Hameed, Crane, TRJ, Wood. Just the no. 3 spot TBC - i'd like to put Jennings there if Stoneman is opening, but not sure if he's ever done it in 1st class cricket before.
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 9:28:49 AM
Oo er, sorry for the essay!
by SDHoneymonster8/30/2017 9:27:35 AM
My two cents re yesterday's loss: I'm not sure England should panic. Catching practice maybe (sae can be said for the Windies!), but they were staring down the barrel after the first innings and fought incredibly hard to get into a position where they could win the game, an encouraging sign from a team that's had a tendency to fold at the first sight of adversity in recent times. Even more encouragingly, two Test rookies - Stoneman and Malan - had a decent part to play in said fightback, and both showed that they could play against their natural instincts to play strokes and tough it out if required. Also, England lost thanks to two monumental individual performances that will be incredibly hard to reproduce - I remain unconvinced that this is the blossoming of a great talent in Hope rather than a Peter Fulton-esque bewildering high point. The major issue with the side I have at the moment is the constant wasting of the new ball - a theme in a lot of England losses, especially at home, in recent years has been wasting the new ball in helpful bowling conditions, with Anderson and Broad preferring to bowl a touch too short and keep the runs down rather than go all-out for wickets; you get the feeling that they'd prefer to have a side 20-1 after 10 overs than 45-3, for example. Broad especially, one spell at Old Trafford aside, has been poor with the new ball all summer. It's this reason why I'm not unhappy to see Gibson going - he was originally involved in the early Flower years and therefore alongside Saker had a big part in developing the bowling plans that I feel Anderson and Broad have never really let go of. A new voice is needed in the bowling group IMO - I don't think Root declared only to watch Jimmy and Broad bowl defensively yet again. Beginning to think to really stamp his mark on the team one of those two will probably have to be moved on in the near future (madness to suggest perhaps but I'm not sure I can take another new ball performance like the one we got this Test).
by SDHoneymonster8/30/2017 9:27:14 AM
Ben Brown reflects on a fine second day' cricket at Colwyn Bay.
by Paul Edwards edited by David Hopps8/30/2017 9:26:13 AM
I just don't know if Jimmy, Broady, Woakes, Stokes is the seam attack we want to take down under, even if/when Woakes regains his mojo. It's very rfm, and when the ball's doing nowt... Root at 3 is looking more appealing, but I've still not been swayed by the appeal of Hales, which seems to have shot up since a double-ton against Derbyshire. At least Livingstone had a strong county attack to hit a double-ton against.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 9:26:04 AM
Interesting comments guys. The lack of form from so many batsmen is concerning but how things are at the moment, I would go for Cook, Stoneman, Root, Hales, Malan, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali, Woakes/Roland-Jones, Broad, Anderson. I really don't think we need another seamer as 4 should be enough and I think Root should step up and bat at 3 instead of a long list of sacrificial lambs.
by Dave Knibb8/30/2017 9:21:07 AM
Also: another Pakistan player banned from cricket. :(
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 9:14:33 AM
I can see that. I'd take 16: Hameed, another middle-order bat for when Malan/no. 3 inevitably fails, two seamers and another spinner. Like Liam Dawson! ;)
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 9:13:28 AM
Now that Stoneman has been given his chance he has to be backed, like i said re: Hameed/Jennings earlier. But Hameed would still be in the 15 man squad for me.
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 8:58:22 AM
Joe Clarke was also inconsistent last year but he seems to have raised his game this year... it's too early for him to go to Aus, but if he can carry his form through next year he's definitely got an international future and he is a natural no. 3/4.
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 8:56:02 AM
Anyway my XI looks something like Cook Stoneman ??? Root Moe Stokes Bairstow Woakes Wood/Footitt/TRJ (if you must) Broad Jimmy. Could possibly shuffle up Root and bring Malan at 4, where he plays for Middx., but Root at 4 isn't something to be changed lightly.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:51:20 AM
Can't argue too much with that, although he did seem to raise his game against international touring sides. That's how I feel about Malan, although I agree he's now played well enough to get on the plane. But reckon he might get found out against a side who don't drop every other catch.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:49:51 AM
As much as i like Westley, i wouldn't have called him up for international cricket at all... he's always been a bit too inconsistent for my liking.
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 8:42:16 AM
Hameed yes (although he got injured), Jennings... I dunno, it's not like he's come good again afterwards. Anyway I've long thought Stoneman should get a chance, would stick with him for the Ashes. Would you play Westley in Oz Dez?
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:38:01 AM
Malan has got what it takes IMO. I'd have stuck with Hameed & Jennings as openers despite their form dips, they showed more than enough quality in India and it's been proved time & time again that players play better when they aren't conscious they are playing for their place. Woakes was a prime example of that when he was given a consistent run last summer for instance.
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 8:36:27 AM
Would like to see a separate Test coach though. Preferably one who has some time to watch some County Cricket.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:33:17 AM
They generally get two series, that's not bad. It's more that the players involved don't seem to take their chances. Which does raise the question of why they were selected in the first place... I'd've picked Westley myself though, and would now want to drop him, so I can't blame them for that! (The Malan pick still confuses me.)
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:32:55 AM
Personally i'm fed up of this constant selection merry go round. About time the selectors either backed their decisions or resigned. Still don't understand why the selectors weren't replaced along with the rest of the post WC 2015 clear out TBH.
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 8:28:41 AM
Wasn't shameful, Dez, but it is worrying. Australian pitches will be closer t'Eadingley than to Edgbaston, the dropped catches were as much a problem as they were because of the lack of chances, and I don't expect Steve Smith and them to play poorly!
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:20:20 AM
No shame in yesterdays loss IMHO, apart from the dropped catches. West Indies played very well.
by dez dezzy8/30/2017 8:17:46 AM
Yestereve made me feel even more strongly, though, that Moe should be at 5 with another seamer at 9. I'm sure Woakes will get some of his zip back, but an attack consisting of right-arm fast-mediums doesn't seem like a recipe for success to me. Not with the Kookaburra.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:11:54 AM
I mean, every half-decent batsman playing at number 3 or thereabouts is probably in contention at the moment. That said, I didn't realise his FC average was sur-50. How many other county bats in the first division (in form) can claim that? Not many at the moment.
by StaggerBreaths8/30/2017 8:10:27 AM
Good morning, and welcome to the Week of the Underdogs. Wonder if Leics. can carry on the trend. Now excuse me while I let loose a stream of invective concerning England's performance yesterday.