I think Pakistan have shown that you have to pick bowlers to bowl and expect the batsmen to score the runs, yes there is overlap. Woakes has shown he is work his place as a bowlers and is batting is an extra but the obsession with everyone batting should only go so far. No member of the top 5 has made a hundred this year we have 2 by the 'Keeper' and one by the spinner
by nickcricket7/18/2016 1:11:55 PM
There's not one spinner you could actually rely on. Quite a few second spinners, Rashid, Ansari, Patel. Borthwick might be worth a place at number three, but with the ball he's more economical in T/20 than in the championship.
by Tom Mather7/18/2016 1:12:47 PM
@nickcricket I'm not really convinced about that argument. I'll be amazed if Pakistan's long tail (and iffy fielding) doesn't cost them at some point during this series.
by Sam Inglis7/18/2016 1:13:26 PM
There is a dicontimy in that Rashid is too expensive for Test Cricket and is a mainstay of the ODI side!
by nickcricket7/18/2016 1:14:14 PM
There's having a long tail, and there's having no tail. For example Woakes at 8, Broad at 9, Anderson at 10 and Kerrigan at 11 is perfectly fine. The batting ability of 9, 10, 11 really isn't that important.
by Matt Warwick7/18/2016 1:14:57 PM
Yeah and often has the best economy rates to boot. Anyone want to volunteer any theories why? Or is it a paradox of nature?
by Mark Ofield7/18/2016 1:14:57 PM
WICKET: Lancashire 193/4 (66.1 ov, lead by 106 - 2nd inns) v Durham SJ Croft c Borthwick b Hickey 20 (48) Partnership: 33 (12.4 ov) AJ Hickey 6.1-0-13-1 LA Procter 80* (187)
by ESPNcricinfo Live7/18/2016 1:15:43 PM
Wouldn't expect must from Broads bat this series, Pakistan have learnt the formula of bumper yorker, didn't even need the bumper in the second dig
by nickcricket7/18/2016 1:16:33 PM
Banger is a'banging
by NemoUKS7/18/2016 1:16:34 PM
I have no theories, I do feel that spin bowling is very different in Tests and LO. Line and length vs. variations. Or something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
by StaggerBreaths7/18/2016 1:16:38 PM
StaggerBreaths - I always though it was the mindset and risk ratio of the batsmen, but Pakistan will try and blast any England spinner out of the attack so how different is it?
by nickcricket7/18/2016 1:17:41 PM
Think that is something Rashid has got a lot better with, it doesn't bother him if he goes for 6 like it used to
by nickcricket7/18/2016 1:18:27 PM
It might just be that Rashid goes at 4 - 6 runs an over. That's fine in ODIs/T20s but not in test cricket
by Alex Thomas7/18/2016 1:18:53 PM
Surely then it would make sense to play a tight, accurate Spinner who might not take many wickets but won't give anything away. That way they can build the pressure at one end while forcing the Pakistani batsmen to score runs off our much stronger seam attack? A temporary fix for this series maybe, but the best options here would surely be Tredders or Kerrigan.
by MjRichardson937/18/2016 1:19:45 PM
There's a lot to be said for 'holding up an end'.
by MjRichardson937/18/2016 1:19:59 PM
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by County Championshipvia twitter7/18/2016 1:20:00 PM
Personally I think England can afford an attacking spinner Woakes, Broad and Anderson don't give away many runs. If you had an attack with Finn and Stokes then you might need someone who can keep things tight
by nickcricket7/18/2016 1:20:15 PM
Put that end down again MJ, you don't know where it's been.
by StaggerBreaths7/18/2016 1:20:36 PM
Isn't that what we used to do with Giles? Could keep it tight while Hoggard/Harmison/Jones/Flintoff blasted away at the other end.
by Matt Warwick7/18/2016 1:20:40 PM
TEAM 200: Lancashire 201/4 (67.2 ov, lead by 114 - 2nd inns) v Durham LA Procter 85* (191) KR Brown 3* (3)
by ESPNcricinfo Live7/18/2016 1:20:44 PM
Matt Warwick - Yes
by nickcricket7/18/2016 1:21:33 PM
WICKET: Derbyshire 123/6 (28.5 ov, trail by 395 - 1st inns) v Glamorgan SJ Thakor c †Wallace b Wagg 24 (36) Partnership: 35 (7.5 ov) GG Wagg 7.5-0-48-2 MJJ Critchley 14* (20)